They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Its so cold. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. No accident. There is what appears to be a well trodden, narrow path to the left of her which passes behind her and enters a very dark area at the back right, which could be the cave. Please read. Two journalists take the same hike the girls took. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. ^ But the galvanized sign marking the terminus of the Pianista isnt really the end of the trail. In fact, theres a very obvious, albeit mud-choked, passage that goes down the other side of the crestonly to intersect with an entire web of paths constructed and used primarily by members of the indigenous Ngobe tribe. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. Im not saying that I dont think foul play was involved. Or is it all part of a cover-up? She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. Do they know more than we do? After this, the photos were from April 8, 2014and likely snappedbetween 1 amand 4 am. (From our perspective to the right of her directly in front of her feet about waist high). I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. Daytime would be sweaty but what about at night when the temperature would be down in the 50-60s? This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. I think it would be nice for a botanist to take a look at the vegetation. Rocko Akira Clapp. I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. I just find it strange that no video diary or fotos of each other made after 508. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Where did you hear this? She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. I think investigation isnt the correct word. It seems to be made up of white paint, at least like a tribal looking face of white paint. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. No way would I walk down that path. Totally agree, Alexis. Perhaps the truth will come out someday. Cheers. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. I agree. as a hiker myself, it would be totally unnatural to hold your hands behind your back in that way AND bend your body AND twist your body out of alignment. Government corruption perpetuates the proliferation of gang activity. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. Websites/blogs speculate about why, but nothing has been confirmed. I am Photoshop expert, and I promise you that its virtually impossible to edit images in any way without it being noticeable at the pixel level. Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. Either way, itll be interesting to see. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. You have a good eye! Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. The camera could have malfunctioned but this seem highly unlikely. by Chris | Jan 29, 2020 | Crime Abroad, Kris Kremers. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. We usually permit our commenters to publish links to external material, and you are welcome to do the same. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? I dont see what the writer sees at all. A closer look at mysterious disappearances that continue to baffle detectives. Also, Im looking forward to reading the new book as well, particularly what Pitti has to say. Does this take a high level of tech knowledge and a computer? There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. After exhaustive thought, my theory: First, respect to family, friends, and the good. I think this was a setup for the 2 girls from the beginning. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. Hope there will be a reasonable explanation to everything one day. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. If a picture is deleted from a camera, its still possible to retrieve it. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. Thanks for any information you can provide. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. Phone records. They do nothing to further discourse surrounding this tragedy and only attract people who think its fun to join in with conspiracies about the deaths of these two very real girls with very real families (who are suffering tremendous heartbreak). Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. Happy reading! But we need to be careful about the information we have. Was it taken on the afternoon of April 1st before their first distress call? Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. I have one questions for you, regarding the 90 photos taken at night: if these were not taken by one of the girls in an attempt to provide light or whatever, what possible purpose could anyone else, such as an attacker, have in taking these photos? The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). They were not lost. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. Thanks and cheers. So easily noticeable. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) We are dealing with history here. However, her surroundings were my intended focus regarding this photo theres a lot of things in this photo that havent been discussed elsewhere and could provide clues as to what happened to them. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. Everything suggests they had no clue what they were doing when they took the taxi to the start of the trail. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. This lady, Pitti, she is under much suspicion as she practically botched the investigation efforts with her repeated lack of discipline in collecting and documenting and directing the case. Highlighted areas of interest (some not yet discussed I think): I think the night pictures were made by the killers to make it look like they were lost and trying to signal for help. Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. All of it couldve just gone away.? Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. Her skin does not look pallid like that of a dead person, it is still pink. if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. when are you putting a research team together?? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. Article about our trip plans: Research Team Update Support Us, Campaign Link: Mapping The Jungle Trails Of Panama. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. Agreed the thing on the tree trunk looks man made but even if it is it is not sinister. Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. This could be a very handy skill to our team. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. They are 99.999999% preventable. Solvable: yes; but with each year that goes by less likely. Is there somebody behind the insignia? The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. The hand painted insignia looks more like a face to me.. Shortly after this, they became victims. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. Thanks for pointing this out. And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. I believe one fell. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. Is the time that photo was taken known? I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. ITS SHAPED LIKE A BRA. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. I suspect the timestamps on some images are incorrect. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. Once there, the families and detectives began a massive search. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. May the case stay alive and well. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. The jungle was searched for another ten days with the help of the cops from the Netherlands - but there was no sign of the girls. Do you have any idea how many people of all ages go missing here every single day. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. The rock isnt about the twig its got chunks of flesh and blood splatter all over it to the right and back of rock. And there have been some other unsolved murders in the same area where the girls were. They had more than enough evidence and leads to solve the case but they ignored so much of the evidence. I have a working theory of the predator (not a specific name). It is possible for incompetence to work in conjunction with interests to protect key industries. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. More probable is that the picture was deleted. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl.