The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. The message is set. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. But God knows his heart. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. Really!! Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. Treated like everywhere else been. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. G.L. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. Enter city. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. The ones Ive attend are really good. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. I wish you well in your new school and church. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. The person, John the Baptist. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. Just some thoughts. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. Nothing comforted. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. Such as The Church of Christ? 7. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. You either comply or you are thrown out. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. But if your axe is based on tithing being practiced & encouraged (no one mandates & makes me give)then you have a axe with much of Christendom. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. John 10:10, Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 1. They are worlds apart. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. I am having a hard time figuring you out. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Also, I support tithing personally. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. Independent Church. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! His resources are free from this sight. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. I see through to the intensions of this site. I will not post here again. 2 . Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? 5. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. Baptists are not Protestants! They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. Thank you for writing back. Under grace we can give as much as we like. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! Any idiot can do that. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). S.J. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. But not all Baptist churches are that way! Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! Individuals may also seek membership, and those who do are usually ministers, missionaries, Bible teachers, evangelists, editors of Christian periodicals, or students. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. I dont believe it is a Law that one has to tithe. (P.S. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope is a Baptist church located at Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Zona Urbana Xochimilco, Mexicali, Baja California 21355, MX. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). The business is listed under baptist church category. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. 5. What does this have to do with our discussion? If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Share this: I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think most people would agree with me on this. . The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. The Presbyterians took over the job of persecution biblical believers and forbade Knolleys from preaching in parish churches. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot . In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. Blessings. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. I do attend the Church of Christ. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. KJB. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. 4.) Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. Back in England these men, on returning to England, formed the first recorded Baptist church on English soil. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: @greg There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved.